I accidentally hit the wrong button a few weeks ago and upgraded to Tahoe. I didn't think it was that big a deal at the time, I'd just been putting it off.
But having used it for a few weeks now I can confirm it is a strict downgrade over Sequoia for me. I use none of the new features it has introduced, and the changes to existing features are just worse.
Some UI animations are slow and jittery - and this is on an M4 Pro. The Finder has gone from fine to janky once again, especially with horizontal scroll. The window corners and mouse interactions are indeed annoying (I'd assumed the many complaints were at least slight hyperbole). Left-aligned window titles are unbalanced and ugly. I've had weird (visual) app duplication issues with the Application smart-folder in the Dock. Cross-device copy-paste SEEMS to be more flaky than usual. And most petty of all I really don't like the new icons - especially the Trash icon for some reason.
I have Tahoe on my work laptop and Sequoia on my personal desktop, and the thing that keeps me the most rooted on Sequoia is the padding. Everything on Tahoe is padded to hell and back. And the new tab design sucks so much. iTerm2 tabs look fucking terrible in it.
I'm also annoyed by the Tahoe update notifications. I understand the concern about installation scripts that fetch from external sources — that can be harmful, even if the repo owner or article author is trustworthy. There's always a risk of hijacking.
I analyzed the GitHub repo. The main files are three short shell scripts, and I confirmed:
1. No network calls — doesn't download anything from external sources
2. No background services — no LaunchAgents or daemons installed
3. No data exfiltration — doesn't send data anywhere
4. Reversible — provides an uninstall script
5. Transparent — all code is plain bash scripts and XML
6. Uses official Apple APIs — only uses the /usr/bin/profiles system command
7. Standard security practices — includes CI validation, shellcheck linting, and SHA256 checksums
Folks who are tired of the update notifications can use this with confidence.
I accidentally hit the wrong button a few weeks ago and upgraded to Tahoe. I didn't think it was that big a deal at the time, I'd just been putting it off.
But having used it for a few weeks now I can confirm it is a strict downgrade over Sequoia for me. I use none of the new features it has introduced, and the changes to existing features are just worse.
Some UI animations are slow and jittery - and this is on an M4 Pro. The Finder has gone from fine to janky once again, especially with horizontal scroll. The window corners and mouse interactions are indeed annoying (I'd assumed the many complaints were at least slight hyperbole). Left-aligned window titles are unbalanced and ugly. I've had weird (visual) app duplication issues with the Application smart-folder in the Dock. Cross-device copy-paste SEEMS to be more flaky than usual. And most petty of all I really don't like the new icons - especially the Trash icon for some reason.
> Some UI animations are slow and jittery - and this is on an M4 Pro
On an M4 Pro! Pure planned obsecelence. Noticed it regularly with major MacOS releases. Nothing will convince me otherwise.
Yeah they should have bought the M5 Pro /s
I have Tahoe on my work laptop and Sequoia on my personal desktop, and the thing that keeps me the most rooted on Sequoia is the padding. Everything on Tahoe is padded to hell and back. And the new tab design sucks so much. iTerm2 tabs look fucking terrible in it.
Same problem here.
Linux + KDE surpassed Windows many years ago, now I find I also prefer it to the Mac laptops, which are otherwise better only for portability.
Apple need to get their software act together. Such a shame because the hardware is awesome. A near perfect inversion of the era of Tiger on the G4.
It's much easier to simply use this with whatever date you prefer:
I'm also annoyed by the Tahoe update notifications. I understand the concern about installation scripts that fetch from external sources — that can be harmful, even if the repo owner or article author is trustworthy. There's always a risk of hijacking.
I analyzed the GitHub repo. The main files are three short shell scripts, and I confirmed:
1. No network calls — doesn't download anything from external sources
2. No background services — no LaunchAgents or daemons installed
3. No data exfiltration — doesn't send data anywhere
4. Reversible — provides an uninstall script
5. Transparent — all code is plain bash scripts and XML
6. Uses official Apple APIs — only uses the /usr/bin/profiles system command
7. Standard security practices — includes CI validation, shellcheck linting, and SHA256 checksums
Folks who are tired of the update notifications can use this with confidence.
Thank you for your service.
> Which means I have the joy of seeing things like this wonderful notification on a regular basis.
Weird, I haven't seen that once. I wonder what explains the difference?
Im planning on getting the new M5 MBP i expect to be released next week. Is it possible to downgrade? I assume it comes with Tahoe :(
Typically no, Mac's don't expect to run versions of macOS before the one they were released with.
Why not buy a used M4 Pro/Max?
Almost certainly not :|
People really just need to upgrade man. It’s fine in almost every case.
I run both, Tahoe on laptop, Sequoia on mac studio. Tahoe is strictly worse, the corner radius drag issue is driving me crazy on the daily.
There’s a command to make the corner bigger.
+1 exact same situation.
having Tahoe on my MacBook made me appreciate Sequoia on my mac Studio. A real downgrade..
It's ugly and slow, I see no reason why I would want to "upgrade" to that.